New Dawn skrev 2020-09-05 17:21:45 följande:
#100 Ja, jag tror tyvärr att kvinnor sedan lång tid tillbaka för ofta haft ont av sex, och ställt upp på sex som de inte vill. Det gör inte problemet mindre. Kanske är kvinnor mer benägda att berätta om detta nu, för tex läkare/barnmorskor än tidigare, samt i media. Om man ser längre tillbaka var ju inte ens våldtäkt något man kunde anmälas för i äktenskap.
Om du inte tror att man påverkas av vad man ser så skulle tex reklam bara värdelös. Det är otroligt märkligt att många män är säkra på att kvinnor påverkas av mode och modeller inom klädindustrin, men absolut inte porr. Är inte det ett ganska konstigt resonemang.
Jag har haft sex som gjort ont och jag har (som ung) svalt sperma fast jag inte gillade det. Det senare för att vara sexig. Så ja, människor kan ta efter saker de ser för att vara sexiga, attraktiva mm. Det är inte konstigt. Om man vill bli lyckad i sängen så kan det vara en idé att ta efter porr eftersom man vet att det är något folk tittar på just för att de blir upphetsade av det.
Se bara här i tråden hur mängder av män hyllar och förvarar porr. Så utifrån denna tråd kan vi snabbt förstå att porr är något vääääldigt viktigt och kärt. Det är väl inte så himla konstigt att tänka att en sexig och bra kvinna i de flesta mäns ögon borde vara en kvinna som accepterar porr, gillar porr, och kanske allra helst vill inspireras av porr.
Du får själv betätta vad det är du syftar på i klippet.
Jag skrev: Det kan påverka vad man tror att man ska ställa upp på.
I det första klippet var det någon som sa "Många killar vill inte ens göra det här."
Det blir en helt annan sak, att de skulle göra det ändå låter inte trovärdigt.
" Jag har haft sex som gjort ont och jag har (som ung) svalt sperma fast jag inte gillade det. Det senare för att vara sexig. "
Man kan vara sexig utan att göra saker man inte vill och det är ju knappast bra för sexlusten.
Jag är 80 talist, att porr är inte på riktigt fick jag lära mig i mellanstadiet.
Internetporr har funnits i 20+ år.
Jag tror alla män vet att tonårsgrabbar använder internet till spel och porr, porrsnacket blir ju ganska självskrivet.
2020: Tonåringar tror att porr är på riktigt.
Wtf?
" Se bara här i tråden hur mängder av män hyllar och förvarar porr "
Barn ska inte ha fantasisex som sexualundervisning, man ska inte ställa upp på saker man inte vill utöver det så är det fullt med påståenden som saknar vetenskapligt stöd.
Ska alternativet stå mellan att hålla med om felaktiga påståenden eller vara dum man som försvarar sin porr?
Porrberoende finns inte men kan vara symtom på andra problem som t.e.x depression
Ska vi behandla "porrberoendet" eller depressionen?
Man får inte erektionsproblem av porr men man kan få det av osäkerhet, prestatationsångest, svårt för intimitet och andra saker (samma saker som kan bidra till att kvinnor inte får orgasm)
Ska vi göra det värre och kalla det för porrskada?
Man får inte skev kvinnosyn av porr, de som har hade haft det ändå.
Ska vi låtsas att man kan lösa problemet med "porr är inte på riktigt"?
Misogyny in Porn: It?s Not What You Think | Psychology Today
Unfortunately, research has been inconsistent in support of these arguments, and there particularly has not been research to identify causality between pornography viewing and the development of misogynistic attitudes. As social acceptance of pornography is increasing, attitudes towards it, and its effect, are likely also changing. Some research, exploring the "confluence model" has suggested that for men with misogynistic attitudes and antisocial traits, watching violent pornography (not all pornography, but specifically violent material) does appear to increase risk of sexual violence by those men. However, the researchers identify this effect appears only in a small group of men, around seven percent, with no apparent effect on 93 percent of males. Further, the researchers have indicated there is, at this time, no evidence that changing or restricting these men's pornography reduces their risk.
[...]
Some thoughtful research on the impact of pornography explores a "script model," suggesting that pornography consumption plays a role in the development of cognitive scripts, the strategies we use in our heads around sex and relationships. In this model, pornography is one part of a complex, multiply-determined and individualized dynamic that influences how people (both males and females) approach sex and sexualized interactions. Where sexual education is deficient, pornography may have greater influence, because viewers don't understand that the sex in porn is "fantasy sex." Emily Rothman is one of a few folks spearheading a charge to develop "critical thinking about porn" in adolescents, in a remarkable initiative that may be able to inoculate young people against developing these negative scripts by helping them to understand what porn is, and isn't.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201909/misogyny-in-porn-it-s-not-what-you-think
How Much of Porn Depicts Violence Against Women? | Psychology Today
Porn critics rail against X-rated media, but oddly, don?t condemn romance fiction for the way the male characters dominate and threaten the female protagonists. Why? Because romance fiction is written to appeal to women?s erotic fantasies. Women understand that it?s fantasy. But the researchers who call X-rated media violent apparently don?t recognize that porn is also fantasy. They erroneously believe that porn represents men?s real-world sexual agenda.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201606/how-much-porn-depicts-violence-against-women
Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault | Psychology Today UK
www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault
Porn Addiction | Psychology Today
I can't stop watching porn. Am I addicted to it?
Many researchers doubt porn addiction is a true clinical condition. Instead, some research shows, those who believe they have an addiction to pornography may not use it more than others, but may hold cultural or religious beliefs that make them feel more guilty about it. Other research shows that seeing oneself as a porn addict may be closely correlated to depression, anxiety, and anger.
Does pornography use affect the brain?
Brain monitoring of individuals who believe they have an addiction to porn does not show increased activity in regions of the brain generally activated by addiction when those people view sexually explicit images. Instead, some neuroscientists believe that what may be perceived as an addiction to porn may be a manifestation of depression or obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Does pornography use cause erectile dysfunction?
The belief that porn use leads to erectile dysfunction (ED) is generally not accurate. Studies have found that men who reported both frequent porn use and ED were also the subjects most likely to hold the most conservative views about sex and religion; in other words, the distress they felt about their porn use likely influenced their experience of ED.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/porn-addiction
Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too | Psychology Today
Having moral conflict over your porn use (PPMI) does turn out to be bad for you. But that's not because of the porn. Instead, higher levels of moral conflict over porn use predict higher levels of stress, anxiety, depression, and diminished sexual well-being, as well as religious and spiritual struggles. In one study by Perry and Whitehead, pornography use predicted depression over a period of six years, but only in men who disapproved of porn use. Continuing to use porn when you believe that it is bad is harmful. Believing that you are addicted to porn and telling yourself that you're unable to control your porn use hurts your well-being. It's not the porn, but the unresolved, unexamined moral conflict.
[...]
Clinicians who continue to promote the idea of porn addiction are, like those who promote age-regression hypnosis or recovered memory therapy, engaging in malpractice. Websites and advocacy groups that promote and encourage identification as porn addicts are doing harm to their followers, and can become like the hucksters promoting naturopathic treatment despite federal medical groups identifying such treatments as ineffective and potentially harmful. Ultimately, all should be held accountable for their inaccurate, outdated, and exploitative actions.
[...]
The editors of the Archives of Sexual Behavior invited commentaries on this article only from researchers, who must argue based on science, as opposed to anecdote. None of them argue that porn is addictive, that it changes the brain or one's sexuality, or that the use of porn leads to tolerance, withdrawal, or other addiction-related syndromes. Put simply, while the nuance of porn-related problems is still being sussed out, the idea that porn can be called addictive is done, at least in the halls of sexual science.)
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too
If Not Sex Addicted, Then What? | Psychology Today
Sex addiction, as a pseudoscientific concept, is very emotionally appealing. First, it definitely labels the objectionable sexual conduct as a disease and nothing but a disease; really, there's no need to look any further. But the reason I told my clients it's worse than what they thought is that it's not the so-called addict who has a problem. The problem is about them as a couple.
[...]
The difference for clinicians is that the distress has to occur in the patient and not in the people around them. Therapy Rule #17: The person with the pain is the person with the problem.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-futurist/202008/if-not-sex-addicted-then-what
How the "Porn Addiction" Movement Disrespects Women | Psychology Today
Those treating "porn addiction" see women as pathetic victims of their feelings.
[...]
The porn addiction movement claims that one of the biggest problems with pornography is the way it disrespects women. But the movement itself is what's really disrespectful to women.
The porn addiction movement, of course, is focused on straight male consumers. Although there are millions of women who regularly use pornography, their spouses almost never complain about it. Similarly, the partners of gay porn users (male or female) rarely complain about it.
When couples do quarrel about porn, it?s almost exclusively straight women complaining about the porn use of their straight husbands. That's why the book I wrote about this dynamic is entitled His Porn, Her Pain.
[...]
Most "treatment" programs such as The Ranch and The Meadows are eager to involve the female partner in treatment. Whether she participates or not, she is usually described as a pathetic creature whose head and heart have exploded because of the catastrophe of their man?s porn use. The movement looks at these women with a combination of pity, dismay, shame, and frustration.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-intelligence/201801/how-the-porn-addiction-movement-disrespects-women
Sex Addiction: Fact or Fiction? Part 1 of 3 | Psychology Today
Popular culture embraces ?sex addiction,? but most psychologists reject it.
Sex addiction struck a chord with social conservatives, religious fundamentalists, anti-porn feminists, much of the media, 12-step veterans with sexual issues, some mental health professionals, and women upset about their men?s porn habits.
[...]
* No tolerance. If porn caused tolerance, over time, users would have to consume increasing amounts. But according to PornHub, the world?s largest porn site, most viewers (75 percent of them male) watch less than five minutes per visit, and 86 percent spend less than 20 minutes. Only 0.2 percent watch more than two hours at a time. Now some men might visit several times a day or download videos for later viewing. But there?s no evidence that porn-watching causes tolerance. Only two porn-viewers per 1,000 watch more than two hours at a time, Meanwhile, most Americans watch more television than that. Where?s the outrage over ?TV addiction??
Some contend that as their addictions intensify, sex addicts become tolerant to ?conventional? porn, and seek more ?extreme? imagery. But there is no normal amount or type of sex, so what constitutes ?conventional? or ?extreme?? To the sex-addiction industry, ?extreme? porn includes: anal play, BDSM, swinging, group sex, and public sex, and a good deal of homosexuality. Actually, these are all fairly prevalent, involving tens of millions of otherwise loving, productive, mentally healthy Americans.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201806/sex-addiction-fact-or-fiction-part-1-3
Study: Porn Is Not to Blame for E.D. | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202007/study-porn-is-not-blame-ed
Does Pornography Cause Erectile Dysfunction? | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201908/does-pornography-cause-erectile-dysfunction
When Does Pornography Use Become Problematic? | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202003/when-does-pornography-use-become-problematic
Do Sex-Porn and Mental Health Issues Interact? | Psychology Today
The good news is that sometimes these diagnoses are spot-on in terms of identifying the client?s primary problem. Just as often, however, those diagnoses uncover and treat a secondary disorder or even something that?s not a disorder at all. Mostly this occurs because clinicians are not trained to appropriately explore sexual behaviors and identify them for what they are. They just don?t understand that something like porn use, even heavy porn use, could be a symptom of a psychological disorder without being a disorder itself. Nor do they understand that psychological disorders like depression, anxiety, and the like can manifest as symptoms of compulsive sexual behavior.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202007/do-sex-porn-and-mental-health-issues-interact
The Great Porn Debate | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/get-psyched/201205/the-great-porn-debate Misogyny in Porn: It?s Not What You Think | Psychology Today
Unfortunately, research has been inconsistent in support of these arguments, and there particularly has not been research to identify causality between pornography viewing and the development of misogynistic attitudes. As social acceptance of pornography is increasing, attitudes towards it, and its effect, are likely also changing. Some research, exploring the "confluence model" has suggested that for men with misogynistic attitudes and antisocial traits, watching violent pornography (not all pornography, but specifically violent material) does appear to increase risk of sexual violence by those men. However, the researchers identify this effect appears only in a small group of men, around seven percent, with no apparent effect on 93 percent of males. Further, the researchers have indicated there is, at this time, no evidence that changing or restricting these men's pornography reduces their risk.
[...]
Some thoughtful research on the impact of pornography explores a "script model," suggesting that pornography consumption plays a role in the development of cognitive scripts, the strategies we use in our heads around sex and relationships. In this model, pornography is one part of a complex, multiply-determined and individualized dynamic that influences how people (both males and females) approach sex and sexualized interactions. Where sexual education is deficient, pornography may have greater influence, because viewers don't understand that the sex in porn is "fantasy sex." Emily Rothman is one of a few folks spearheading a charge to develop "critical thinking about porn" in adolescents, in a remarkable initiative that may be able to inoculate young people against developing these negative scripts by helping them to understand what porn is, and isn't.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201909/misogyny-in-porn-it-s-not-what-you-think
How Much of Porn Depicts Violence Against Women? | Psychology Today
Porn critics rail against X-rated media, but oddly, don?t condemn romance fiction for the way the male characters dominate and threaten the female protagonists. Why? Because romance fiction is written to appeal to women?s erotic fantasies. Women understand that it?s fantasy. But the researchers who call X-rated media violent apparently don?t recognize that porn is also fantasy. They erroneously believe that porn represents men?s real-world sexual agenda.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201606/how-much-porn-depicts-violence-against-women
Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault | Psychology Today UK
www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault
Porn Addiction | Psychology Today
I can't stop watching porn. Am I addicted to it?
Many researchers doubt porn addiction is a true clinical condition. Instead, some research shows, those who believe they have an addiction to pornography may not use it more than others, but may hold cultural or religious beliefs that make them feel more guilty about it. Other research shows that seeing oneself as a porn addict may be closely correlated to depression, anxiety, and anger.
Does pornography use affect the brain?
Brain monitoring of individuals who believe they have an addiction to porn does not show increased activity in regions of the brain generally activated by addiction when those people view sexually explicit images. Instead, some neuroscientists believe that what may be perceived as an addiction to porn may be a manifestation of depression or obsessive-compulsive disorder.
Does pornography use cause erectile dysfunction?
The belief that porn use leads to erectile dysfunction (ED) is generally not accurate. Studies have found that men who reported both frequent porn use and ED were also the subjects most likely to hold the most conservative views about sex and religion; in other words, the distress they felt about their porn use likely influenced their experience of ED.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/porn-addiction
Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction. You Should, Too | Psychology Today
Having moral conflict over your porn use (PPMI) does turn out to be bad for you. But that's not because of the porn. Instead, higher levels of moral conflict over porn use predict higher levels of stress, anxiety, depression, and diminished sexual well-being, as well as religious and spiritual struggles. In one study by Perry and Whitehead, pornography use predicted depression over a period of six years, but only in men who disapproved of porn use. Continuing to use porn when you believe that it is bad is harmful. Believing that you are addicted to porn and telling yourself that you're unable to control your porn use hurts your well-being. It's not the porn, but the unresolved, unexamined moral conflict.
[...]
Clinicians who continue to promote the idea of porn addiction are, like those who promote age-regression hypnosis or recovered memory therapy, engaging in malpractice. Websites and advocacy groups that promote and encourage identification as porn addicts are doing harm to their followers, and can become like the hucksters promoting naturopathic treatment despite federal medical groups identifying such treatments as ineffective and potentially harmful. Ultimately, all should be held accountable for their inaccurate, outdated, and exploitative actions.
[...]
The editors of the Archives of Sexual Behavior invited commentaries on this article only from researchers, who must argue based on science, as opposed to anecdote. None of them argue that porn is addictive, that it changes the brain or one's sexuality, or that the use of porn leads to tolerance, withdrawal, or other addiction-related syndromes. Put simply, while the nuance of porn-related problems is still being sussed out, the idea that porn can be called addictive is done, at least in the halls of sexual science.)
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-too
If Not Sex Addicted, Then What? | Psychology Today
Sex addiction, as a pseudoscientific concept, is very emotionally appealing. First, it definitely labels the objectionable sexual conduct as a disease and nothing but a disease; really, there's no need to look any further. But the reason I told my clients it's worse than what they thought is that it's not the so-called addict who has a problem. The problem is about them as a couple.
[...]
The difference for clinicians is that the distress has to occur in the patient and not in the people around them. Therapy Rule #17: The person with the pain is the person with the problem.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-futurist/202008/if-not-sex-addicted-then-what
How the "Porn Addiction" Movement Disrespects Women | Psychology Today
Those treating "porn addiction" see women as pathetic victims of their feelings.
[...]
The porn addiction movement claims that one of the biggest problems with pornography is the way it disrespects women. But the movement itself is what's really disrespectful to women.
The porn addiction movement, of course, is focused on straight male consumers. Although there are millions of women who regularly use pornography, their spouses almost never complain about it. Similarly, the partners of gay porn users (male or female) rarely complain about it.
When couples do quarrel about porn, it?s almost exclusively straight women complaining about the porn use of their straight husbands. That's why the book I wrote about this dynamic is entitled His Porn, Her Pain.
[...]
Most "treatment" programs such as The Ranch and The Meadows are eager to involve the female partner in treatment. Whether she participates or not, she is usually described as a pathetic creature whose head and heart have exploded because of the catastrophe of their man?s porn use. The movement looks at these women with a combination of pity, dismay, shame, and frustration.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-intelligence/201801/how-the-porn-addiction-movement-disrespects-women
Sex Addiction: Fact or Fiction? Part 1 of 3 | Psychology Today
Popular culture embraces ?sex addiction,? but most psychologists reject it.
Sex addiction struck a chord with social conservatives, religious fundamentalists, anti-porn feminists, much of the media, 12-step veterans with sexual issues, some mental health professionals, and women upset about their men?s porn habits.
[...]
* No tolerance. If porn caused tolerance, over time, users would have to consume increasing amounts. But according to PornHub, the world?s largest porn site, most viewers (75 percent of them male) watch less than five minutes per visit, and 86 percent spend less than 20 minutes. Only 0.2 percent watch more than two hours at a time. Now some men might visit several times a day or download videos for later viewing. But there?s no evidence that porn-watching causes tolerance. Only two porn-viewers per 1,000 watch more than two hours at a time, Meanwhile, most Americans watch more television than that. Where?s the outrage over ?TV addiction??
Some contend that as their addictions intensify, sex addicts become tolerant to ?conventional? porn, and seek more ?extreme? imagery. But there is no normal amount or type of sex, so what constitutes ?conventional? or ?extreme?? To the sex-addiction industry, ?extreme? porn includes: anal play, BDSM, swinging, group sex, and public sex, and a good deal of homosexuality. Actually, these are all fairly prevalent, involving tens of millions of otherwise loving, productive, mentally healthy Americans.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201806/sex-addiction-fact-or-fiction-part-1-3
Study: Porn Is Not to Blame for E.D. | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/202007/study-porn-is-not-blame-ed
Does Pornography Cause Erectile Dysfunction? | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201908/does-pornography-cause-erectile-dysfunction
When Does Pornography Use Become Problematic? | Psychology Today (2020)
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/202003/when-does-pornography-use-become-problematic
Do Sex-Porn and Mental Health Issues Interact? | Psychology Today
The good news is that sometimes these diagnoses are spot-on in terms of identifying the client?s primary problem. Just as often, however, those diagnoses uncover and treat a secondary disorder or even something that?s not a disorder at all. Mostly this occurs because clinicians are not trained to appropriately explore sexual behaviors and identify them for what they are. They just don?t understand that something like porn use, even heavy porn use, could be a symptom of a psychological disorder without being a disorder itself. Nor do they understand that psychological disorders like depression, anxiety, and the like can manifest as symptoms of compulsive sexual behavior.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/love-and-sex-in-the-digital-age/202007/do-sex-porn-and-mental-health-issues-interact
The Great Porn Debate | Psychology Today
www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/get-psyched/201205/the-great-porn-debate
