• Anonym (Miss Amin)

    Niqab, slöja mm

    Kristdemokraterna har öppnat upp en diskussion kring Niqab vilket omdiskuterats En del.

    En del menar på att det bara är å ena sidan ett vanligt plagg som man frivilligt bär på sig å beskriver det som ett vanligt plagg. En del beskriver det oxå som att det är en symbol för förtryck men man vet inte vad man ska tro.

    man vet själv inte vad man ska tro om det då man inte känner någon som går i dessa huvudbobader.

    Vad vet vi/ni och vad tycker vi/ni?

  • Svar på tråden Niqab, slöja mm
  • ClumsySmurf
    Anonym (Thor) skrev 2025-10-22 22:17:11 följande:
    Postman skrev 2025-10-22 21:59:05 följande:

    Kändes inte som du läste mitt inlägg utan mest bara var känslostyrd. 


     


     


    Du läser eller förstår inte det jag skrev. Rasister/islamofober har förutfattade meningar om att muslimska kvinnor bär slöja på grund av tvång eller förtryck. Men det är bara rasistisk smörja. Alla tillfrågade kvinnor berättar är slöjan är ett medvetet och frivilligt val. Att bära slöja kan vara en stark markör för deras religiösa tro, identitet och personliga värderingar. De berättar att slöjan ger en känsla av frihet och styrka, en möjlighet att definiera sig bortom kroppens utseende och ytliga bedömningar. För många är det ett sätt att känna sig respekterade för den de är inombords, inte bara för sitt yttre.
    finns det fortfarande folk som bryr sej när det slängs med rasist/islamofob för att vinna argument utan argument?


    För rasisten är kvinnans kropp bara ännu ett verktyg för kontroll.
  • ClumsySmurf
    KillBill skrev 2025-10-25 11:53:15 följande:
    Vi fortsätter diskussionen när du gett mig ett exempel på en 9 årig tjel som bär Burka eller Niqab. 
    Taking off the hijab: 'My dream was to wear what I wanted'

    She was nine when her family, living in a town outside of Iran's capital Tehran, made her start wearing the chador. One of the most conservative types of hijab, the chador is a full-body cloak that is often accompanied by a smaller headscarf underneath.


    From the age of six, her parents had been preparing her to start covering.


    "They kept telling me that I would have to wear the hijab, that it is my duty to God, and if I refused, I would be eternally punished after my death - not to mention, that I would bring my parents into disrepute and upset them," she tells the BBC.


    She says that as a child, she dreamt of wearing shorts and T-shirts.

    [....]
    She used to envy other girls she saw in her community who wore a less conservative type of hijab

    _131225097_ribellwithhijab-1.jpg.webp

    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66922061


  • KillBill
    ClumsySmurf skrev 2025-10-25 12:11:17 följande:
    Taking off the hijab: 'My dream was to wear what I wanted'

    She was nine when her family, living in a town outside of Iran's capital Tehran, made her start wearing the chador. One of the most conservative types of hijab, the chador is a full-body cloak that is often accompanied by a smaller headscarf underneath.


    From the age of six, her parents had been preparing her to start covering.


    "They kept telling me that I would have to wear the hijab, that it is my duty to God, and if I refused, I would be eternally punished after my death - not to mention, that I would bring my parents into disrepute and upset them," she tells the BBC.


    She says that as a child, she dreamt of wearing shorts and T-shirts.

    [....]
    She used to envy other girls she saw in her community who wore a less conservative type of hijab

    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66922061


    Artikeln handlar om hijab/chador, plagg som inte föreslås bli förbjudna i Sverige. Har du något exempel på 9-åriga flickor som faktiskt tvingas bära burka eller niqab?


    Hellre Arga Andersson än Kassa Kristersson!
  • KillBill
    ClumsySmurf skrev 2025-10-25 12:11:17 följande:
    Taking off the hijab: 'My dream was to wear what I wanted'

    She was nine when her family, living in a town outside of Iran's capital Tehran, made her start wearing the chador. One of the most conservative types of hijab, the chador is a full-body cloak that is often accompanied by a smaller headscarf underneath.


    From the age of six, her parents had been preparing her to start covering.


    "They kept telling me that I would have to wear the hijab, that it is my duty to God, and if I refused, I would be eternally punished after my death - not to mention, that I would bring my parents into disrepute and upset them," she tells the BBC.


    She says that as a child, she dreamt of wearing shorts and T-shirts.

    [....]
    She used to envy other girls she saw in her community who wore a less conservative type of hijab

    www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-66922061


    I ditt inlägg påstår du att åriga flickor i Iran bär niqab, men texten handlar egentligen om chador. Bilden du har valt visar däremot en niqab alltså ett helt annat plagg än det som barn faktiskt tvingas bära. En chador är ett löst hängande, heltäckande plagg där ansiktet är synligt, och det har tydliga likheter med den kristna nunnedräkten.


    Jag är en stark förespråkare för att barn själva ska få välja sina kläder och debatten tjänar ingenting på att det sprids felaktigheter. Nedan först bild på en kristen nunnedräkt och därefter på en chardor. 


    Svensk kristen nunna





    Musklimsk kvinna som bär chardor





    Hellre Arga Andersson än Kassa Kristersson!
  • Anonym (T)
    KillBill skrev 2025-10-25 10:47:21 följande:

    Vadå "neutral mot barnäktenskap"? Genom historien har barnäktenskap förekommit i Sverige, och det finns fortfarande i andra delar av världen. Men här är lagen glasklar: barnäktenskap är förbjudet, för alla. Åldern för att gifta sig är reglerad i lag, och det gäller oavsett bakgrund, kultur eller religion.


    Ditt svammel om att jag inte skulle bry mig om att kvinnor inte får röra sig fritt i samhället är för dumt för att ens kommentera.


    Burka i grunden ett rätt vidrigt kulturellt uttryck baserat på tanken att kvinnan inte får synas.

    Du jobbar hårt här i tråden för att Sverige inte skall stoppa detta kulturella uttryck.
  • KillBill
    Anonym (T) skrev 2025-10-25 13:49:46 följande:
    Burka i grunden ett rätt vidrigt kulturellt uttryck baserat på tanken att kvinnan inte får synas.

    Du jobbar hårt här i tråden för att Sverige inte skall stoppa detta kulturella uttryck.

    Som jag har påpekat i flera inlägg tidigare, bör lagstiftningen riktas mot dem som förbjuder kvinnor att bära vissa plagg eller tvingar dem att bära andra. I övrigt är frågan principiell: ska svensk lag behandla alla trosuppfattningar lika,  eller inte? Den rör också grundläggande frihetliga värderingar: ska staten bestämma vad kvinnor får eller inte får bära?


     


    De som vill att staten ska förbjuda vissa typer av kvinnokläder delar, på en principiell nivå, samma värderingar som mullorna i Iran och talibanerna i Afghanistan.


    Hellre Arga Andersson än Kassa Kristersson!
  • Alexanderlukas

    Mindre än ett år kvar till riksdagsvalet så nu gäller det att ligga bra till hos valboskapen.


    Håll stånd mot kulturvänstern!
  • ClumsySmurf
    KillBillskrev 2025-10-25 13:16:12 följande:

    I ditt inlägg påstår du att åriga flickor i Iran bär niqab, men texten handlar egentligen om chador. Bilden du har valt visar däremot en niqab alltså ett helt annat plagg än det som barn faktiskt tvingas bära. En chador är ett löst hängande, heltäckande plagg där ansiktet är synligt, och det har tydliga likheter med den kristna nunnedräkten.


    Jag är en stark förespråkare för att barn själva ska få välja sina kläder och debatten tjänar ingenting på att det sprids felaktigheter. Nedan först bild på en kristen nunnedräkt och därefter på en chardor. 


    Svensk kristen nunna


    Musklimsk kvinna som bär chardor


    Hur mycket du än dribblar så blir det inte jämförbart med "nunnor"
    What Age Must a Female Wear Niqab? - Morals and Advocacy - Islamic Shariah - Alukah.net

    It is unquestionable that a female must begin covering by the age of puberty. What is not agreed upon is what exact age that is. Some say that covering commences the day of her first menstrual cycle, others say at the first sign of pubic hairs. Those weak in iman (faith) will look at the kafir system's designation of "teenager" as the age of puberty, i.e. they use the age 13. In all situations, Muslims are to use the Prophet's example for guidance. The Prophet married 'Aisha before she had reached puberty and consummated the marriage when she was approximately 9 years old. We do not know precisely what he used to determine that she reached puberty, and we don't even know the exact age that he consummates the marriage, so the issue of puberty is not necessarily a clear cut age to be applied universally to all, but a recognition of the change to woman from child. The earliest pregnancy recorded was that of a seven year old girl, and we know that a menstrual cycle does not have to start before some are capable of becoming pregnant. May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta?ala, guide each parent to adequately prepare the daughter in time. Amin.

    ------

    Some Guidelines for Preparing a Child for Hijaab:




    It is encouraged that as soon as the child is able to walk, she does not wear clothes that resemble the kafr, and that she should always have her knees and as much as possible of the arms and legs covered when leaving the house or having guests over.

     




    She should be taught modesty in behavior and dress from the cradle.

     




    It is ideal to sew small jilbabs (light overcoats) and khimaar (head/neck/chest covering) for the young Muslimah, properly preparing her for full coverage at puberty. It is actually less fitnah on the parent to dress her in the simple attire of a Muslim, as compared to looking for fashionable clothes in a shopping mall.

     




    At the age of 7, the parent should order her to pray Salah, and of course, she must be wearing Hijaab (the entire head and body covering) for the Salah.

     




    By the age of 10, her parents may and should punish her for missing fard (obligatory) Salah, and once again, she must be wearing Hijaab to perform Salah.

     




    When she reaches puberty, insha'Allah, she will wear niqab (literally: draw the khimaar over her face).

     




    By the age of puberty, she should already be used to wearing Hijaab (which is in her fitrah [natural state] to be covered).



    en.alukah.net/Shariah/0/5778/
  • KillBill
    ClumsySmurf skrev 2025-10-25 14:12:09 följande:
    Hur mycket du än dribblar så blir det inte jämförbart med "nunnor"
    What Age Must a Female Wear Niqab? - Morals and Advocacy - Islamic Shariah - Alukah.net

    It is unquestionable that a female must begin covering by the age of puberty. What is not agreed upon is what exact age that is. Some say that covering commences the day of her first menstrual cycle, others say at the first sign of pubic hairs. Those weak in iman (faith) will look at the kafir system's designation of "teenager" as the age of puberty, i.e. they use the age 13. In all situations, Muslims are to use the Prophet's example for guidance. The Prophet married 'Aisha before she had reached puberty and consummated the marriage when she was approximately 9 years old. We do not know precisely what he used to determine that she reached puberty, and we don't even know the exact age that he consummates the marriage, so the issue of puberty is not necessarily a clear cut age to be applied universally to all, but a recognition of the change to woman from child. The earliest pregnancy recorded was that of a seven year old girl, and we know that a menstrual cycle does not have to start before some are capable of becoming pregnant. May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta?ala, guide each parent to adequately prepare the daughter in time. Amin.

    ------

    Some Guidelines for Preparing a Child for Hijaab:


    It is encouraged that as soon as the child is able to walk, she does not wear clothes that resemble the kafr, and that she should always have her knees and as much as possible of the arms and legs covered when leaving the house or having guests over.

     


    She should be taught modesty in behavior and dress from the cradle.

     


    It is ideal to sew small jilbabs (light overcoats) and khimaar (head/neck/chest covering) for the young Muslimah, properly preparing her for full coverage at puberty. It is actually less fitnah on the parent to dress her in the simple attire of a Muslim, as compared to looking for fashionable clothes in a shopping mall.

     


    At the age of 7, the parent should order her to pray Salah, and of course, she must be wearing Hijaab (the entire head and body covering) for the Salah.

     


    By the age of 10, her parents may and should punish her for missing fard (obligatory) Salah, and once again, she must be wearing Hijaab to perform Salah.

     


    When she reaches puberty, insha'Allah, she will wear niqab (literally: draw the khimaar over her face).

     


    By the age of puberty, she should already be used to wearing Hijaab (which is in her fitrah [natural state] to be covered).

    en.alukah.net/Shariah/0/5778/
    Kan du tydliggöra skillnadnen mellan en kristen kvinnas klädel och en chardor så att det blir begripligt? 

    Svensk kristen nunna


    Chardor

    Hellre Arga Andersson än Kassa Kristersson!
  • KillBill
    ClumsySmurf skrev 2025-10-25 14:12:09 följande:
    What Age Must a Female Wear Niqab? - Morals and Advocacy - Islamic Shariah - Alukah.net

    It is unquestionable that a female must begin covering by the age of puberty. What is not agreed upon is what exact age that is. Some say that covering commences the day of her first menstrual cycle, others say at the first sign of pubic hairs. Those weak in iman (faith) will look at the kafir system's designation of "teenager" as the age of puberty, i.e. they use the age 13. In all situations, Muslims are to use the Prophet's example for guidance. The Prophet married 'Aisha before she had reached puberty and consummated the marriage when she was approximately 9 years old. We do not know precisely what he used to determine that she reached puberty, and we don't even know the exact age that he consummates the marriage, so the issue of puberty is not necessarily a clear cut age to be applied universally to all, but a recognition of the change to woman from child. The earliest pregnancy recorded was that of a seven year old girl, and we know that a menstrual cycle does not have to start before some are capable of becoming pregnant. May Allah Subhanahu wa Ta?ala, guide each parent to adequately prepare the daughter in time. Amin.

    ------

    Some Guidelines for Preparing a Child for Hijaab:


    It is encouraged that as soon as the child is able to walk, she does not wear clothes that resemble the kafr, and that she should always have her knees and as much as possible of the arms and legs covered when leaving the house or having guests over.

     


    She should be taught modesty in behavior and dress from the cradle.

     


    It is ideal to sew small jilbabs (light overcoats) and khimaar (head/neck/chest covering) for the young Muslimah, properly preparing her for full coverage at puberty. It is actually less fitnah on the parent to dress her in the simple attire of a Muslim, as compared to looking for fashionable clothes in a shopping mall.

     


    At the age of 7, the parent should order her to pray Salah, and of course, she must be wearing Hijaab (the entire head and body covering) for the Salah.

     


    By the age of 10, her parents may and should punish her for missing fard (obligatory) Salah, and once again, she must be wearing Hijaab to perform Salah.

     


    When she reaches puberty, insha'Allah, she will wear niqab (literally: draw the khimaar over her face).

     


    By the age of puberty, she should already be used to wearing Hijaab (which is in her fitrah [natural state] to be covered).

    en.alukah.net/Shariah/0/5778/
    PS. Källan du hämtar din information från, en.alukah.net, är strikt konservativ och ger en ensidig bild av islam. Det är ungefär som att vi skulle bedöma alla kristna utifrån reglerna i fundamentalistiska församlingar som Livets Ord eller Plymouthrörelsen.
    Hellre Arga Andersson än Kassa Kristersson!
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