• Anonym (M)

    Minnesförlust / blackout vid traumatiska händelser

    Jag har haft det väldigt länge och liksom accepterat att det är så, att det är hjärnans sätt att skydda en och att det är ganska normalt. Det gäller till exempel när jag har blivit våldtagen (väldigt längesen) eller misshandlad (också längesen nu).. Men också mycket mindre allvarliga händelser som när jag och någon bara har bråkat (inte fysiskt) och skrikit på varandra eller jag eller någon annan har gjort sig illa. 


    Det är inte så att jag inte minns något alls men det är helt omöjligt för mig att minnas alla detaljer utan det är liksom fragment bara, lite svårt att förklara. Om någon frågar vad som hände så kan jag säga till exempel att jag har någon bild av att han gjorde så men är inte helt säker och jag minns inte vad som hände innan och efter. Jag tror att jag minns mer direkt efter sen försvinner mycket.

    Har som sagt liksom accepterat att det är så men nytligen hände det när ett av min barn ramlade och gjorde sig illa och jag pratade med min mamma om det och skulle komma fram till hur allvarligt det var och det enda kan säga är att jag minns att hon låg på golvet, minns inte om hon skrek direkt , minns inte om jag hörde en smäll .fast jag var i samma rum. Hon mår bra nu och antagligen var det inte så farligt..  men vad är det för fel på mig? Varför är jag så här? 


    Är det på grund av att man har varit med om mycket traumatiskt eller är jag bara sån? Kan det vara för att min första kille var våldsam mot mig när jag var väldigt ung? Kan man få hjälp med att bli av med det? Jag dricker inte överhuvudtaget nu (ammar) och tar inga mediciner så det är inte något sånt. 


    Tacksam för råd..blir så arg på mig själv för att jag är sån när det verkligen är viktiga saker som man behöver komma ihåg. Har inga problem med minnet annars utan det är just när det är något traumatiskt som gör mig väldigt rädd eller chockad. 

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  • ClumsySmurf

    verkar detta stämma?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_consolidation

    Strong but Fragmented Memory of a Stressful Episode
    pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10484358/


    Cognition: Exploring the Science of the Mind
    Daniel Reisberg

    Traumatic Memories
    Flashbulb memories usually concern events that were strongly emotional.  Sadly, though, we can also find cases in which people experience truly extreme  emotion, and this leads us to ask: How are traumatic events remembered? If  someone has witnessed wartime atrocities, can we count on the accuracy of  their testimony in a war-crimes trial? If someone suffers through the horrors  of a sexual assault, will the painful memory eventually fade?

    Evidence suggests that most traumatic events are well remembered for  many years. In fact, victims of atrocities often seem plagued by a cruel   enhancement of memory, leaving them with extra-vivid and long-lived recollections of the terrible event (e.g., Alexander et al., 2005; Goodman et al.,  2003; Peace & Porter, 2004; Porter & Peace, 2007; Thomsen & Berntsen,  2009). As a result, people who have experienced trauma sometimes complain  about having "too much" memory and wish they remembered less.

    This enhanced memory can be understood in terms of a mechanism we've  already discussed: consolidation. This process is promoted by the conditions that accompany bodily arousal, including the extreme arousal typically  present in a traumatic event (Buchanan & Adolphs, 2004; Hamann, 2001;  McGaugh, 2015). But this doesn't mean that traumatic events are always  well remembered. There are, in fact, cases in which people who've suffered  through extreme events have little or no recall of their experience (e.g.,  Arrigo & Pezdek, 1997). We can also sometimes document substantial errors  in someone's recall of a traumatic event (Paz-Alonso & Goodman, 2008).

    What factors are producing this mixed pattern? In some cases, traumatic  events are accompanied by sleep deprivation, head injuries, or substance  abuse, each of which can disrupt memory (McNally, 2003). In other cases,  the memory-promoting effects of arousal are offset by the complex memory effects of stress. The key here is that the experience of stress sets off a cascade of biological reactions. These reactions produce changes throughout  the body, and the changes are generally beneficial, helping the organism to  survive the stressful event. However, the stress-produced changes are disruptive to some biological functions, and this can lead to a variety of problems  (including medical problems caused by stress).

    How does the mix of stress reactions influence memory? The answer is  complicated. Stress experienced at the time of an event seems to enhance  memory for materials directly relevant to the source of the stress, but has  the opposite effect?-?undermining memory?-?for other aspects of the event  (Shields, Sazma, McCullough, & Yonelinas, 2017). Also, stress experienced  during memory retrieval interferes with memory, especially if the target information was itself emotionally charged.

    How does all this play out in situations away from the laboratory? One  line of evidence comes from a study of soldiers who were undergoing survival training. As part of their training, the soldiers were deprived of sleep  and food, and they went through a highly realistic simulation of a prisoner-  of-war interrogation. One day later, the soldiers were asked to identify the  interrogator from a lineup. Despite the extensive (40-minute) face-to-face  encounter with the interrogator and the relatively short (one-day) retention  interval, many soldiers picked the wrong person from the lineup. Soldiers  who had experienced a moderate-stress interrogation picked the wrong  person from a live lineup 38% of the time; soldiers who had experienced a  high-stress interrogation (one that included a physical confrontation) picked  the wrong person 56% of the time if tested with a live lineup, and 68% of the  time if tested with a photographic lineup. (See Morgan et al., 2004; also see  Deffenbacher, Bornstein, Penrod, & McCorty, 2004; Hope, Lewinski, Dixon,  Blocksidge, & Gabbert, 2012; Valentine & Messout, 2008.)
    Cognition: Exploring the Science of the Mind
    Daniel Reisberg

    Traumatic Memories
    Flashbulb memories usually concern events that were strongly emotional.  Sadly, though, we can also find cases in which people experience truly extreme  emotion, and this leads us to ask: How are traumatic events remembered? If  someone has witnessed wartime atrocities, can we count on the accuracy of  their testimony in a war-crimes trial? If someone suffers through the horrors  of a sexual assault, will the painful memory eventually fade?

    Evidence suggests that most traumatic events are well remembered for  many years. In fact, victims of atrocities often seem plagued by a cruel   enhancement of memory, leaving them with extra-vivid and long-lived recollections of the terrible event (e.g., Alexander et al., 2005; Goodman et al.,  2003; Peace & Porter, 2004; Porter & Peace, 2007; Thomsen & Berntsen,  2009). As a result, people who have experienced trauma sometimes complain  about having "too much" memory and wish they remembered less.

    This enhanced memory can be understood in terms of a mechanism we?ve  already discussed: consolidation. This process is promoted by the conditions that accompany bodily arousal, including the extreme arousal typically  present in a traumatic event (Buchanan & Adolphs, 2004; Hamann, 2001;  McGaugh, 2015). But this doesn?t mean that traumatic events are always  well remembered. There are, in fact, cases in which people who?ve suffered  through extreme events have little or no recall of their experience (e.g.,  Arrigo & Pezdek, 1997). We can also sometimes document substantial errors  in someone?s recall of a traumatic event (Paz-Alonso & Goodman, 2008).

    What factors are producing this mixed pattern? In some cases, traumatic  events are accompanied by sleep deprivation, head injuries, or substance  abuse, each of which can disrupt memory (McNally, 2003). In other cases,  the memory-promoting effects of arousal are offset by the complex memory effects of stress. The key here is that the experience of stress sets off a cascade of biological reactions. These reactions produce changes throughout  the body, and the changes are generally beneficial, helping the organism to  survive the stressful event. However, the stress-produced changes are disruptive to some biological functions, and this can lead to a variety of problems  (including medical problems caused by stress).

    How does the mix of stress reactions influence memory? The answer is  complicated. Stress experienced at the time of an event seems to enhance  memory for materials directly relevant to the source of the stress, but has  the opposite effect?-?undermining memory?-?for other aspects of the event  (Shields, Sazma, McCullough, & Yonelinas, 2017). Also, stress experienced  during memory retrieval interferes with memory, especially if the target information was itself emotionally charged.

    How does all this play out in situations away from the laboratory? One  line of evidence comes from a study of soldiers who were undergoing survival training. As part of their training, the soldiers were deprived of sleep  and food, and they went through a highly realistic simulation of a prisoner-  of-war interrogation. One day later, the soldiers were asked to identify the  interrogator from a lineup. Despite the extensive (40-minute) face-to-face  encounter with the interrogator and the relatively short (one-day) retention  interval, many soldiers picked the wrong person from the lineup. Soldiers  who had experienced a moderate-stress interrogation picked the wrong  person from a live lineup 38% of the time; soldiers who had experienced a  high-stress interrogation (one that included a physical confrontation) picked  the wrong person 56% of the time if tested with a live lineup, and 68% of the  time if tested with a photographic lineup. (See Morgan et al., 2004; also see  Deffenbacher, Bornstein, Penrod, & McCorty, 2004; Hope, Lewinski, Dixon,  Blocksidge, & Gabbert, 2012; Valentine & Messout, 2008.)
  • Anonym (Anonym)

    Jag tror du får bättre svar av att prata med ngn professionell om det, än att fråga här. Så att du får korrekt hjälp och stöd och kan må bättre kring det. 
    Du har gått igenom mycket och kanske har det gett ngt avtryck som du skulle må bra av att bearbeta och få det lättare kring. Eller så är det, som du funderar på, kopplat till känslor av chock. Blir man överrumplad etc så kan det ju vara svårt att ta in och man kan tvivla på sig själv om man minns rätt eller fel. 
    Men bolla med ngn professionell, så att du får klarhet och det stöd och bekräftelse du behöver.

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