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  • Xenia
    Xenia
    Thu 24 Feb 2022 12:45
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    Ryssland har anfallit Ukraina - krig i Europa

    Ja, Putin har gjort precis det vi oroat oss för. Han drar sig inte för något. Hur kommer det att sluta? Först tar han hela Donbass, sedan hela Ukraina. Och omvärlden ser bara på och fördömer.

    Vad innebär detta för Sverige? Dyrare elpriser förstås.

    Borde inte Sverige ha sålt vapen till Ukraina, en demokrati (även om den är korrumperad) hotad av en diktatur? Ok att sälja vapen till diktaturen Saudiarabien, inte ok att sälja till Ukraina.

    Vad tänker ni andra om allt detta?

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  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 20:59
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    Här är fredsförslagets från Europa och Ukraina 

    www.reuters.com/business/finance/full-text-european-counter-proposal-us-ukraine-peace-plan-2025-11-23/


    Tow2Mater skrev 2025-11-24 16:44:30 följande:

    Europa vill tydligen bjuda in Ryssland i gemenskapen igen i sin version av avtal. Vojne vojne.

    Och istället for 600 000 tillåtna ukrainska soldater, föreslår de 800 000.

    Europe has invited Russian President Vladimir Putin back into the G8 under a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine

    The European counter-proposal suggested that Kyiv's forces should be capped at 800,000, compared to the 600,000 limit proposed by Trump in his peace plan.

    www.express.co.uk/news/world/2137701/Europe-invites-Putin-G8-Ukraine-peace-deal


  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:00
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    BRUSSELS, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Below is the text of a European counter-proposal to the United States' draft 28-point Ukraine peace plan, seen by Reuters on Sunday.


    The counter-proposal, drafted by Europe's E3 powers of Britain, France and Germany, takes the U.S. plan as its basis but then goes through it point by point with suggested changes and deletions.
    Tow2Mater skrev 2025-11-24 16:44:30 följande:

    Europa vill tydligen bjuda in Ryssland i gemenskapen igen i sin version av avtal. Vojne vojne.

    Och istället for 600 000 tillåtna ukrainska soldater, föreslår de 800 000.

    Europe has invited Russian President Vladimir Putin back into the G8 under a peace deal to end the war in Ukraine

    The European counter-proposal suggested that Kyiv's forces should be capped at 800,000, compared to the 600,000 limit proposed by Trump in his peace plan.

    www.express.co.uk/news/world/2137701/Europe-invites-Putin-G8-Ukraine-peace-deal


  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:01
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    The text is as follows:
    1. Ukraine's sovereignty to be reconfirmed.
    2. There will be a total and complete non-aggression agreement reached between Russia and Ukraine and NATO. All ambiguities from the last 30 years will be resolved.
  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:01
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    (Point 3 of U.S. plan is deleted. A draft of that plan seen by Reuters said: "There will be the expectation that Russia will not invade its neighbours and NATO will not expand further.")


    4. After a peace agreement is signed, a dialogue between Russia and NATO will convene to address all security concerns and create a de-escalatory environment to ensure global security and increase the opportunity for connectivity and future economic opportunity.
  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:02
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    5. Ukraine will receive robust Security Guarantees
    6. Size of Ukraine military to be capped at 800,000 in peacetime.
    7. Ukraine joining NATO depends on consensus of NATO members, which does not exist.
    8. NATO agrees not to permanently station troops under its command in Ukraine in peacetime.
    9. NATO fighter jets will be stationed in Poland
    10. US guarantee that mirrors Article 5
    a. US to receive compensation for the guarantee
  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:02
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    b. If Ukraine invades Russia, it forfeits the guarantee
    c. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a robust coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be restored and any kind of recognition for the new territory and all other benefits from this agreement will be withdrawn.
    11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will get short-term preferred market access to Europe while this is being evaluated
  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 21:03
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    12. Robust Global Redevelopment Package for Ukraine including but not limited to:
    a. Creation of Ukraine Development fund to invest in high growth industries including technology, data centres and Al efforts
    b. The United States will partner with Ukraine to jointly restore, grow, modernize and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, which includes its pipeline and storage facilities
    c. A joint effort to redevelop areas impacted by the war to restore, redevelop and modernize cities and residential areas
  • Tow2Mater
    Tow2Ma­ter
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 22:31
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    Padirac skrev 2025-11-24 21:04:03 följande:

    Ryssland i G8 enligt fredsförlaget?


    Europa har lagt fram motförslag till USA:s och Rysslands fredsplan, där ett inslag är att Ryssland skulle bjudas tillbaka till G8-gruppen.

    I den europeiska planen, under punkt 13, föreslås att Ryssland gradvis ska återintegreras i världsekonomin och att sanktionerna lättas stegvis.

    yle.fi/a/7-10088499/64-3-282880

  • Padirac
    Padira­c
    Mon 24 Nov 2025 23:09
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    13. Russia to be progressively re-integrated into the global economy.
     
    a. Sanction relief will be discussed and agreed upon in phases and on a case-by-case basis
     
    b. The United States will enter into a long-term Economic Cooperation Agreement to pursue mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, AI, datacenters, rare earths, joint projects in the Arctic, as well as various other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities
     
    c. Russia to be invited back into the G8.
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