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    Anonym (.) skrev 2016-01-09 21:16:37 följande:

    Då Egypten lever på turism kan man räkna med att säkerheten höjs. Dom är förmodligen säkrare där än någon annanstans då det idag sprängs och dödas överallt utan förvarning.


    Du vet uppenbarligen inte vad du pratar om. Egypten har en lång, lång historia av blodiga terrorattacker mot just turister - nog bland de absolut värsta länderna vad gäller sådana saker. Nyhetsbyrån Reuters har sammanställt en lista över den här typen av dåd i just Egypten. Den börjar 1992 och fortsätter sedan med en närmast ofattbar mängd attacker. Läs och förfäras och inse att Egypten inte är en plats för semester med ungarna (det är mycket värre än du kan föreställa dig): www.usdivetravel.com/T-EgyptTerrorism.html

    Efter sprängningen av det ryska passagerarplanet nyligen, rapporterade UNT-journalisten (UNT = Upsala Nya Tidning) Elin Sandow att hon passerat säkerhetskontrollen på en egyptisk flygplats utan att alls kontrolleras. Hon blev inte fråntagen sina fyllda vattenflaskor och kontrollanterna var mest intresserade att gulla med turisternas barn. Hon hade också föreställningen att nu skulle minsann säkerheten vara rigorös mot bakgrund av vad som hände det ryska planet, men blev varse att så inte alls var fallet. Skrattretande - om det inte var så förbaskat allvarligt.

    Egyptiska myndigheter har f.ö. inte ens kontroll över hela landet. Sinai kontrolleras till stora delar av tungt beväpnade islamister och egyptiska militären rör sig endast i stora enheter i området.
  • flygrl

    @TS: Som Drottningen70 säger du måste sätta stopp. Egypten är inte alls en säker plats. Visst det kan gå bra och dom får en härlig semester med sol & bad MEN kolla listan jag postade lite högre upp och fråga dig om riskerna inte e liiite för stora. Kan tänka mig det e billigt resa dit nu men det har väl sina orsaker. Finns ju andra tryggare resmål. Kanarieöarna e definitivt säkrare och ett stabilt demokratiskt land (Spanien alltså).

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    Ville inte tynga ner tråden med och posta Reuters skrämmande sammanställning av terrordåd mot turister i Egypten så jag postade enbart länken. Inser nu det kanske e lika bra klistra in hela sammanställningen så ingen undgår allvaret i situationen. Finns nog inget land där turister angripits så ofta och hårt som just Egypten.

    Motsvarande sammanställning för Sverige skulle bli aningen kortare och terrorattacker mot turister mest handla om argsinta myggor. Att jämföra situationen i Egypten med den i Sverige känns inte helt klockrent.

    Ska väl tillägga jag gärna skulle besöka Egypten och få se Pyramiderna och annat fantastiskt som finns där men det får fan vänta.

    (Källa: www.usdivetravel.com/T-EgyptTerrorism.html )

    1992

    Sept. 30 - A spokesman for the main militant movement, the Gama'a al-Islamiya (Islamic Group), warned tourists not to enter the province of Qena, which includes some of Egypt's most famous Pharaonic temples & tombs.

    Oct. 1 -- Gama'a gunmen fired at a Nile cruiser carrying 140 Germans near Assiut, injuring three Egyptian crew.

    Oct. 21 -- Militants ambushed a tourist bus, killing a British woman & injuring two British men. The woman was the first foreigner to die in militant-related violence in Egypt.

    Nov. 12 -- Five German tourists & two Egyptians were wounded when gunmen ambushed a bus in the town of Qena.

    1993

    Jan. 7 - A man threw a bomb near a tourist bus in Cairo, the first attack ever in the nation's capital. No injuries were reported.

    Feb. 26 - A bomb was detonated in a crowded coffee shop in central Cairo, killing a Turk, a Swede & an Egyptian & injuring 20 people of various nationalities.

    March 16 - A bomb damaged five tourist buses outside the Egyptian Museum in central Cairo.

    June 8 - A bomb exploded near a tour bus on Pyramids Road in Cairo, killing two Egyptians & injuring 22 people including five British tourists.

    Aug 16 - A lone gunman fired shots at tourist boat in southern Egypt, but nobody is hurt in the brief random attack.

    Sept 15 & 18 -- Moslem militants fired at two Nile cruise boats, the first near the village of al-Qusiya, the second on a boat carrying 22 French tourists near Abu Tig, in Upper Egypt. Both attacks missed & nobody was hurt at all. No word on whether the attackers were nabbed by police.

    Oct. 27 -- A man described as a mentally disturbed musician shot dead two American businessmen & an eminent French jurist as they ate dinner at a luxury Cairo hotel. An Italian injured in the attack later died, three other people were wounded. The government said the attacker was mentally retarded & was not a Gama'a member, but some sources described him as a militant sympathiser.

    Dec. 27 - A gun & bomb attack on a tourist bus in old Cairo left eight Austrians & eight Egyptians seriously wounded. Next day newspapers said Gama'a claimed responsibility, explaining that it launched the attack to avenge executions of its members.

    1994

    Feb. 14 -- Gunmen ambushed a bus carrying Romanians in the southern province of Assiut. No one was hurt. The Gama'a claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Feb. 17 -- Gunmen opened fire at a Nile cruiser in Assiut, but no one hurt. Gama'a again claimed responsibility.

    Feb. 19 -- Gunmen attacked a Egyptian train in Assiut, injuring one Pole & several Taiwanese tourists. Gama'a claimed responsibility.

    Feb. 23 - An explosion hits Egyptian train in Assiut. Six tourists were hurt: two Australians, two Germans & two New Zealanders. Gama'a claimed responsibility.

    March 4 -- Gunmen fired at a Nile cruiser in southern Egypt, wounding a German woman tourist, who died after being flown back to Germany.

    March 7 -- Gunmen attacked a train in southern Egypt, 11 Egyptians wounded. Gama'a claimed responsibility.

    March 13 -- Gunmen fired at a Nile cruiser in southern Egypt, but no one was hurt.

    Aug. 26 - Gunmen killed a Spanish boy in an attack on a tourist bus in southern Egypt, also wounding his father. Gama'a claimed responsibility.

    Sept. 27 -- Gunmen shot dead one German tourist & wounded another in a random attack in the Red Sea resort of Hurghada. Two Egyptians also were killed & another German man died of his injuries after returning to Germany. Since this time Egyptian police have set a super-tight security cordon along the single road into Hurghada & there has not been any major incidents since this date, sources indicate.

    Oct. 23 -- Suspected Moslem militants killed a British tourist & wounded three others, along with their Egyptian driver, raking with machine-gun fire the minibus carrying them to a pharaonic temple in southern Egypt.

    Nov. 6 -- Gunmen opened fire at a Nile cruiser carrying 30 tourists in southern Egypt, but they do not cause any damage or casualties.

    Dec. 26 -- Unidentified gunmen opened fire near a passenger train in southern Egypt, causing no injuries.

    1995

    Jan. 12 -- Suspected Moslem militants wounded two Argentine tourists & four Egyptians when they opened fire on a train in southern Egypt.

    Nov. 8 -- Gunmen thought to be Moslem militants attacked a passenger train in southern Egypt & wounded 10 people.

    Nov. 9 -- Two European tourists -- a Dutch man & a French woman -- are shot when terrrists sprayed a passenger train with bullets in southern Egypt. The Gama'a told foreign tourists to leave the country immediately & said it was responsible for the attack on the passenger train in southern Egypt on November 8.

    Nov. 19 - Suspected Moslem militants opened fire on a tourist train heading north from Aswan to Cairo, killing one of the train workers & injuring several people.

    Nov. 29 - Gunmen fired 11 rounds at a passenger train taking tourists to southern Egypt overnight, but no one was hurt.

    1996

    Jan. 26 - An elderly Egyptian was killed when suspected Moslem militants opened fire on a passenger train that often carries tourists in southern Egypt.

    April 18 -- Gunmen thought to be Moslem militants massacred 17 Greek tourists outside a hotel in Cairo near the Pyramids. One Egyptian man was killed & 15 people were wounded.

    1997

    Sept. 18 -- Gunmen suspected to be Moslem militants killed six German tourists & three other people outside the Egyptian Museum in Tahrir Square. Nine people were wounded.

    November '97 -- Moslem terrorists armed with automatic weapons ambushed, shot & killed 62 tourists at Luxor. All of the gunmen were shot dead by military police or apprehended immediately. The Egyptian government denounced this act & quickly tightened security in & around major tourist centers, news reports indicated in the weeks that followed. Then there followed years of relative peace in Egypt, until ....

    2004

    October '04 -- After more than 7 years of uneventful tourism, with no noteworthy violent incidents aimed at foreign tourists, a group of terrorists bombed resorts in the Red Sea villages of Taba & Ras Shitan, killing 34 persons, mostly Israeli visitors. More than 100 persons were wounded, some gravely. The carnage was reported worldwide.

    2005

    April 7, '05 -- A fringe extremist group dubbing itself Islamic Brigades of Pride delivered a crude homemade bomb -- packed with nails -- on the back of a motorcycle, driven by a suicide bomber right into the heart of the historic shopping bazaar called Khan al-Khalili. The blast killed 2 tourists, a French woman & an American man, & wounded about 18 other people, some critically. The marketplace was strewn with debris & body parts. The motorcycle driver who delivered the bomb also was killed.

    April 30, '05 -- Two veiled women in their 20s opened fire on a tour bus in a historic district of of Cairo, wounding two passengers then killing themselves. Two hours earlier that same day, a man suspected of involvement in a Cairo tourist bombing April 7 (see above) -- whom authorities identified as the brother & fiance' of the women who attached this tour bus -- jumped wildly from a bridge overpass during a police chase & ignited a bomb he was packing, killing himself. These incidents occurred behind the Egyptian Museum in downtown Cairo, wounded seven persons in all, four of them foreign tourists. A group calling itself the Abdullah Azzam Brigades claimed responsibility for the dual attacks April 30, '05, saying they were in revenge for the thousands of arrests of suspected militants that followed the April 7, '05 bombings along the Red Sea. Abdullah Azzam was a Palestinian terrorist who worked alongside Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, & was killed there in 1989.

    July 22, '05 -- Islamic terrorists triggered nearly-simultaneous bombings at the Red Sea resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh, killing at least 88 people & injuring an estimated 200 others. Police reported the three explosions were two suicide car bombs & one planted bag bomb. It was Egypt's deadliest bombing in several years. The bombings happened on Egypt's National Day, which recalls the 1952 bloodless revolution that brought army officers to power after ousting King Farouk. One suicide car bomb killed 17 Egyptian workers in a coffee shop at the city's Old Market, police said. The other suicide car bomber struck the Ghazala Garden Hotel, streaking through a security checkpoint & slamming into the hotel's reception area before exploding. The hotel lobby area collapsed, along with its roof. The Old Market area was a vast mess of broken glass & litter. The third bomb was an improvised device left in a bag; & it killed six tourists at a beachfront parking lot & shuttle stop about two miles from the hotel. The explosions happened about 1:15 a.m. Egypt time, or 6:15 p.m. Friday EDT, but the hotels & the market were crowded anyway with tourists partying, or seeking relief from their hot hotel rooms. The first car was packed with 660 pounds of explosives & slammed into the reception of the Ghazala Gardens in Sharm's Naama Bay, the main strip of hotels, police said. The second bomb weighed about 440 pounds & exploded in a nearby area called the Old Market, frequented mostly by Egyptians working in the town's resorts. A third bomb, believed hidden in a sack, detonated near a beachside walkway where tourists often stroll at night. Dr. Saeed Abdel Fattah, manager of the Sharm el-Sheik International Hospital, where the victims were taken, said those killed included two Britons, two Germans & an Italian, he added. Czech officials said one Czech tourist was also killed. There were conflicting claims of responsibility. Several hours after the attacks, a group citing ties to Al Qaeda issued a claim on an Islamic Web site. The Abdullah Azzam Brigades, Al Qaeda, in Syria and Egypt, was one of two groups that also claimed responsibility for October bombings at the resorts of Taba and Ras Shitan that killed 34. This same terror group also claimed responsibility for a Cairo bombing in April.

    2008

    September 29, '08 -- Ten days of hellish uncertainty -- for victims & families alike -- ended today for 11 European tourists + eight Egyptians abducted in the Egyptian desert on Sept. 19, when government operatives swarmed over their captors, winning their freedom. All 19 hostages were freed unharmed in a bold rescue operation in which several of their terrorist kidnappers were killed in a fierce struggle with authorities, Egyptian officials said. The liberated hostages arrived in Cairo aboard an Egyptian military plane, some of them grinning, some holding bunches of flowers, to be greeted by Egyptian military and government officials and foreign diplomats. These 19 hostages were freed in what Egyptian media called a "rescue and recovery operation," although officials gave only sparse details about how commandos secured the release or how the hostage-takers were killed. Later conflicting news accounts stated some hostages hinted they were simply let go, without any firefight, just randomly by the terrorists who feared government troops closing in. The hostages' 10-day ordeal had deeply embarrassed Egypt which depends on foreign tourism for 6 percent of its gross domestic product. "They have all arrived safely. No ransom was paid from any of the hostage countries," Tourism Minister Zoheir Garrana assured international reporters. "We will coordinate with security agencies to make sure this doesn't happen again." Masked gunmen seized the five Germans, five Italians, one Romanian and eight Egyptians on Sept. 19 from a desert safari tour conducted near Egypt's southwestern borders with Sudan and Libya. The kidnappers then rushed their captives southward into harsh desert terrain in Sudan and demanded a multi-million-dollar ransom.

    2009

    February 22, '09 -- A terrorist bomb killed a French teenager and wounded at least 20 other people in a crowded square near a popular tourist bazaar in the Egyptian capital Cairo on Feb. 22, 2009, officials said. The blast was the first fatal attack on tourists in Egypt since bombs killed at least 23 people at an Egyptian resort in the Sinai Peninsula in 2006. This latest deadly bomb -- aimed at foreign tourists -- exploded near the 14th-century Khan el-Khalili market in eastern Cairo, a souk where tourists shop for small gifts and relax at outdoor cafes. A similar blast in the same area murdered three tourists in 2005. The Health Ministry of Egypt said a 17-year-old French girl was killed and 13 French tourists, plus three Saudis and four Egyptians had been wounded. The German Foreign Ministry also reported one German national had been injured. Egyptian state new agency MENA quoted security officials as reporting that one bomb had exploded under a bench in a garden in the square, and that a second bomb had been defused by security forces. There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but police sources confirmed two suspects had been taken into custody. Reuters International reported this in Feb. 2009: "the bombing is embarrassing for the government, which has tried hard to project an image of security and stability, but angered public opinion at home and across the Arab world by helping Israel to enforce a blockade on the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, and failing to condemn its recent onslaught on the Palestinian territory more forcefully."

    2011

    January & February, 2011 -- Starting about Jan. 25, 2011, street violence and rioting broke out all across Egypt, especially in Cairo, Luxor, Alexandria & other major cities, where protestors against military strongman Hosni Mubarak massed along the streets in the tens of thousands. On Jan. 25, at least four people were killed at "Day of Wrath" anti-government protests across Egypt as demonstrators vented their rage, complaining of poverty, unemployment and government repression. Then on Jan. 27, security forces shot to death a Bedouin protester in the north of Egypt's Sinai region, bringing the death toll to five on the third day of protests. Later, on Jan. 28, police fired rubber bullets and tear gas as protesters hurled stones at them and yelled "Down, Down, Hosni Mubarak!" Police blanketed Cairo and blocked social networking communications in an effort to strangle the protests. Egyptian Internet servers were blocked across the country, throttling a key tool for reform-seeking political activists. Hospital and government sources placed the death toll by Feb. 2 at more than 100, with thousands injured. Cairo suffered widespread looting, fires, destroyed vehicles and days of total shutdown of airports and public transport. Some independent foreign journalists placed the civilian death toll higher than 300 by Feb. 2, 2011.

    2012, 2013

    During the last 2 years, month after month, the world's major news services have reported numerous clashes between demonstrators & police in Cairo, then the contentious election & short rule of Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed Morsi, who was deposed by the Egyptian military on July 3, 2014. That coup sparked a series of violent uprisings in Cairo's Tahrir Square that led, on July 27, 2013 to soldiers firing on protestors, killing nearly 100 people & injuring 1,500, according to the BBC.

    On Aug. 14, 2013, angry protests swept across Cairo & several other large Egyptian cities. Military snipers & heavily armed soldies opened fire on Morsi supporters, killing more than 525 people & injuring more than 3,700. Reportedly dozens of police officers & soldiers were killed or injured by protestors. Governments around the world, including the USA, immediately condemned the military coup leaders, as Egypt began to spiral into bloody street fighting & urban anarchy.

    2014

    Feb. 19, 2014 (Wed.) BBC & EuroNews dispatches:

    The Islamist militant unit calling itself Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis has warned tourists to leave Egypt ?before it?s too late? and threatened to attack anyone who stays in the country after a deadline of February 20. The Sinai-Peninsula-based group, which assumed responsibility for a suicide bombing that killed two South Korean tourists and an Egyptian bus driver on Feb. 16, made the statement on a Twitter account.

    The attack against the bus, which was heading to Israel from St. Catherine?s Monastery, a popular tourist destination in the south Sinai, was the first assault on foreign tourists since President Mohamed Mursi was driven out of power last summer by the Egyptian military ? which sparked an Islamist insurgency. Islamist militancy has escalated dramatically in Egypt this winter, including the largely lawless region adjoining Israel and the Gaza Strip, since the army deposed Islamist Mursi in July, following mass protests against his rule.

    Since then the army has launched a wide-scale operation in Sinai targeting Islamist militants, and security forces launched a crackdown on Islamists and Mursi?s Muslim Brotherhood which authorities labelled a terrorist organisation. The Brotherhood denies any links to violence. The attack marks a shift in strategy among Sinai?s militants to targeting ?softer? tourist and economic targets. Egypt?s vital tourism industry has already been hit hard by three years of political turmoil and street protests.

    Islamist terrorist commandos launch near-daily attacks on security forces in northern Sinai, while the south, with its many Red Sea resorts, had been seen as a relatively safe tourist destination, government officials said. Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis has claimed responsibility for several bombings, including an attempt to kill the interior minister in Cairo last year. The organization also said it was behind a missile attack on a military helicopter last month that killed five soldiers.

    2015

    CAIRO / Sept. 13, 2015 ? The Associated Press reported today that Egyptian special forces who were pursuing Islamic militants in the country?s western desert mistakenly opened fire on Mexican tourists who were on a safari, killing 12 unarmed civilians and setting back the country?s efforts to revive its faltering tourism.

    Egyptian officials said the group had no formal permits to be in the area, but have not released a complete account of Sunday?s incident, in which another 10 people were wounded. Mexico?s President Enrique Pena Nieto condemned the attack and called for a full investigation. And Claudia Ruiz Massieu, Mexico?s foreign minister, said stunned survivors told officials they were attacked by helicopters and other aircraft.

    The incident, among the worst attacks on tourists ever in Egypt, occurred while the government is desperately trying to rekindle tourist flow, which has waned since the 2011 uprising that brought down President Hosni Mubarak.

    Egypt has mainly been battling insurgents in the northern Sinai Peninsula, on the other side of the country, where Islamic militants stepped up attacks on security forces after the military ousted Islamist President Mohammed Morsi in 2013 amid large-scale protests against his rule.

    But in recent months militants loyal to the Islamic State have carried out a series of brutal attacks in Egypt, including the bombing of the Italian Consulate in Cairo plus kidnapping and beheading a Croatian oil surveyor who was working in the capital.

    Mona el-Bakri, the spokeswoman for the Dar al-Fouad hospital where the wounded were being treated, said two of the seven Mexicans receiving treatment also hold American citizenship. A State Department official said an American woman was injured. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to say more because the woman had not waived her privacy rights.

    According to Associated Press, Egypt?s Interior Ministry said in a statement that a joint military-police force was pursuing ?terrorist elements? in the area and fired on four vehicles that turned out to be carrying tourists. The ministry said the victims were Egyptian and Mexican. Egyptian authorities claim the safari convoy had wandered into a restricted area without formal permission.

    October 31, 2015 --

    All 224 people on a Russian jetliner were killed today when an Airbus A321 crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula shortly after takeoff from the popular Egyptian Red Sea resort town of Sharm El-Sheikh, officials reported. Shortly after the plane went down, the terror group ISIS took credit for planning & executing the crash. The Metrojet flight, carrying 217 passengers and seven crew, was en route from Sharm to St. Petersburg, Russia when it plummeted off radar screens & crashed in a remote desert sector, only 23 minutes into the doomed flight.

    This was the air accident with heaviest death toll in the history of Russian aviation, surpassing even a 1985 disaster in Uzbekistan in which 200 people died, the Russian-run news agency RIA reported. "Unfortunately, all passengers of flight 7K9268 Sharm el-Sheikh-Petersburg were killed," The Russian embassy in Cairo said, in Russian, on Twitter. "We express our condolences to the family and friends." Egyptian officials said the 7-person crew and 214 of the passengers and all of the crew were Russian and that three of the passengers were Ukrainian, RT.com reported. The victims included 17 children, aged 2 to 17, according to Russian authorities.

    Dec. 4, 2015 --

    At least 16 people were killed and five more injured in an explosive Molotov Cocktail attack on a nightclub near Cairo, the Egyptian capital, according to the country's state-run news agency, MENA. The attack, with hand-made fire-bombs, took place early Friday morning, MENA said. This club is in the Agouza neighborhood in Egypt's Giza governorate on the outskirts of Cairo, on the western bank of the Nile River. That suburb is favored by a significant number of foreign nationals. State-run Al-Ahram reported that masked assailants attacked the nightclub, and the Egyptian prosecutor and police are currently investigating. Defying all credible logic, and widely dismissed by news pundits worldwide, Egypt's state-run Nile TV reported that authorities say the attackers' motive was criminal and not related to terrorism.

  • flygrl
    2i2 skrev 2016-01-10 23:55:08 följande:

    Alltså nu får du sluta med din skräckpropaganda. Tre incidenter under hela 2015 och 1 under 2014... och du menar att det är livsfarligt att besöka landet... snacka om paranoia. .. INGA av dessa händelser ägde rum i Hurgada.

    Vi har varit i Hurgada med våra 2 barn. Inga problem alls! Bodde på ett bra hotell, lungt och tryggt.


    Det handlar om riskbedömning. Egypten är ett mycket oroligt och våldsamt land och oroligheter inträffar också ibland nära Röda havet resortsen. För inte alltför länge sen va det svåra kravaller strax utanför Hurgada där en person dödades. Enligt UD kan våldsamma demonstrationer snabbt uppstå över hela landet. Listan jag postade tidigare innehöll enbart attacker mot turister men dom värsta attackerna har riktats mot myndigheterna och dom kristna i landet. Militären & polisen går också hårt fram. Egypten har haft en eller rent av två revolutioner dom senaste åren så läget kan ändras snabbare än man hinner ta sig därifrån.

    Jag har redan sagt man kan ha en skön semester med sol & bad i bla. Hurgada men riskerna e betydligt större än många är medvetna om. Det handlar om vilka risker man e beredd ta helt enkelt. Och riskerna e väldigt mycket större i Egypten än på tex. Kanarieöarna eller Grekland. Det beror helt och hållet på va du jämför med.

    Det e upp till dig att göra din riskbedömning. Och jag hoppas själv kunna besöka Egypten en dag. Men inte nu.
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    2i2 skrev 2016-01-10 23:55:08 följande:

    Alltså nu får du sluta med din skräckpropaganda. Tre incidenter under hela 2015 och 1 under 2014... och du menar att det är livsfarligt att besöka landet... snacka om paranoia. .. INGA av dessa händelser ägde rum i Hurgada.

    Vi har varit i Hurgada med våra 2 barn. Inga problem alls! Bodde på ett bra hotell, lungt och tryggt.


    Alltså...så här med lite avstånd till vad jag skrivit...sorry... jag menade väl men blev nog lite väl påstridig. Det va inte meningen och trycka ner det i halsen på nån. Ibland blir jag för ivrig och då tappar jag nog lite distansen. Som sagt sorry om jag gick över styr. :/

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