Anonym (Antiextremist) skrev 2025-09-04 13:40:41 följande:
Jag förstår att det är jobbigt för dig att sakna argument men vilja trycka ner allt och alla som kritiserar Israel för hemska krigsbrott mot palestinier, men du borde skärpa dig och svara sakligt istället. Så, vad tycker du om David B. Gurions citat?
"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them?"
David Ben-Gurion
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves...politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
David Ben-Gurion
"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return."
David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948
"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
Ben-Gurion
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population? ?Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ? Drive them out! ? "
Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
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Den argumenterar nämligen för att David Ben-Gurion var en extremist som inte var representativ för Israel eller judar/israeler, utan trodde starkt på våldets makt oavsett vem man är och vad man står för.
Längre ned skriver han:
Ben-Gurion was Israel?s George Washington, and just as we know that Washington and other US founding fathers were slave-holders and that Washington destroyed the towns of the Iroquois, it?s hard to find a founding father of any country born in war who did not order ruthless acts. And Ben-Gurion was not of the same political stream as Hashomer Hatzair, Mapam, Ihud and Brit Shalom ? Zionists with different ideas.
But when I raised similar facts (and worse) about the man who would have been the Palestinians? George Washington, Haj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ? who was actively allied with Hitler and advocated genocide against the Jews ? McReynold?s comrades wouldn?t hear of it, downplayed his role and called me nasty names. Not all but most of these quotes came after the Arabs had launched their violent efforts to crush the Yishuv in late ?47 and then to destroy the State of Israel after its declaration of independence in May ?48; it?s not surprising that B-G would say some hyperbolic things after the Arabs had irrevocably shown their hand by launching their attacks.
To sum up my reaction:
1. The Jews were engaged in a life or death struggle with the Arabs of Palestine, mostly because of the choice of the latter.
2. Selected quotes of one leader are not representative of an entire spectrum of parties and factions that equally saw themselves as ?Zionist.? (They might not even be so representative of his movement or even of him; they were uttered in times of extreme pressure.)
3. When is the bigotry, intolerance, ignorance and violence of the Arab world going to become PC for the left to examine honestly and completely?
4. How many countries in the world were not born of historical ?sin? of some sort or other?
5. When are we going to stop talking ancient history?
6. When are we going to stop talking about?Zionism? and start relating to this conflict in human terms? Jews and Arabs, Israelis and Palestinians have to see each other as fellow human beings entitled to equal respect, rights and protections. ? Ralph Seliger
Sidan har således inte ett anti-israeliskt perspektiv.
